Counterfeit Manuals and Bogus Scammers
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Over the last couple of weeks, I have been approached by a few different traders asking questions about their manuals due to the fact that the materials made absolutely no sense at all. Most either sent a copy of the area in question from the manual with the original email, or else they sent a snap shot when I asked them to clarify it with a screen shot of the area in question.
Upon looking at the information, it was immediately apparent that they were not our materials. They look similar and they are using our likeness and name, but they are not our materials and you are basically wasting time studying bogus materials. Do not buy our products from anywhere but our website or you are likely going to be scammed. There is even a guy on Reddit offering people a “discounted” copy through private messages. He is just scamming you, so avoid him unless you want to waste time studying incorrect materials.
It is bad enough for someone to try and buy our materials on the cheap someplace else or even worse, download a “supposed” free copy, but to then come to me for help after you bought from some scammer, I just do not have the words to describe how difficult that is to comprehend. The levels some people will go to save a few dollars is astounding. I will say that most of you are decent and honorable people, but there are definitely some unscrupulous types out there. If you choose to go through scammers and underground sellers to buy your materials, then understand you are likely going to be scammed out of your hard earned money.
I contemplated even making this post. I should just let people continue to waste their money and time buying from scammers, but after thinking it over, I believe the right thing to do is make people aware. Just know that if you download a free or paid copy from anywhere but this website, then you are most likely getting a counterfeit and bogus copy of our manuals and you will likely end up with a virus as well. Our official materials are not available anywhere but on our website.
Going forward I will likely be changing the way I answer trading questions. I know this punishes those of you that are honest and doing the right thing, but at some point, I have to get a handle on all of this. I am not sure exactly how I am going to approach this just yet, but it is something I am seriously researching and and working towards at this point. I am also working on some new and updated materials that will take the learning of price action to a new level. Creating these new materials and the new process takes time and a lot of it, so it is slow going for now, but it is coming in the near future.
The main purpose of this post is to make people aware that if you purchase or obtain our materials from anywhere but our website, then you are likely being scammed and not getting an authentic copy, nor are you likely getting the correct information. Even worse, most of the free offers simply infect you with a virus that will cost you even further frustrations and wasted time, and maybe even the loss of your personal and financial information.
Comments
alexrothschild September 9, 2020 at
you should have a list of people who’ve bought your manuals and only answer emails from them. otherwise your trying to give advice to people who havent even gone through your program. let people do the work first and then if they’re stuck, email you for help.
alexrothschild September 9, 2020 at
or actually even better, just use the email service as part of your premium section. because i know it takes up a lot of your time. that way you can get more in depth with helping people who are committed to your program and not just the tire kickers.
Ken September 9, 2020 at
How frustrating for you, Mack! You do so much for free and charge such a modest fee for your invaluable information that it is simply mind boggling that anyone would try to cheat to get your work. It is just disgusting. Please know that I for one am a member that feels fortunate to have found your website and have happily paid for your membership and manuals. Don’t let the jerks deter you!
Regards, Ken
Cstrother September 9, 2020 at
Good point Mack! Besides, if they can’t afford your pricing, then they probably should not be trading anyway! (my two cents)
cottomatte September 9, 2020 at
maybe a premium members only facebook group? All members could see/help answer questions? I personally would love to see a community around Mack’s system. If it’s something Mack would be interested in, I’d be happy to help set it up.
abce7096 September 9, 2020 at
That is a great idea Alex
mike f September 9, 2020 at
I still can’t even believe the value you get for your money with the PA manual, and to be a member for what you charge? Unbelievable value Mack, Thank you. Those people who bought counterfeit manuals aren’t serious anyway.
Knortzsch September 9, 2020 at
That people do not feel ashamed by doing this. And the price for the manual is really not high considering that some wannabe gurus out there want thousands of dollars for much less material!
Maybe some advice: You should answer trading questions and mails maybe only for premium members and for people who bought the manual and got questions within 30 days after their purchase.
Thank you again for everything and your hard work. If I track someone selling your material somewhere but not on this page I will report it to you.
KCLawler September 9, 2020 at
Mack, your anger is justified and shared by those who do belong as a member.
I do like the suggestion to only allow members to post questions to you
using email identity to reference against a member list is a good idea.
you can have your email set up to auto-reply….to non-members (not in your contact list) a message that states you only respond to members, its an auto-reply, so you don’t even have to be involved, software does it for you.
I’ve started seeing this in people’s private e-mail, if they don’t know you, the system sends out a message, that says sorry, I don’t know you.
Food for thought
Cheers
caa55 September 9, 2020 at
As others have noted, we all appreciate Mack and his efforts.
Regarding a facebook group for members, I personally think that would be a great idea. I’m sure Mack already has too much on his plate to set something like that up (or to monitor it) but the offer by the above gentleman may be worth considering.
mitch007 September 9, 2020 at
I agree with most of the comments here as well Mack. I bought the manual from your website in May and after speaking to you via email regarding premium membership , I end up signing up for the premium membership in June and that’s best thing I ever did. I loved all the videos you have in the premium membership. And about to go through them again. I lost about 5K trying to do live trading right away. I know mack , I am sorry, I am one of those idiot didn’t listen to all your videos in time. Now , I shut down live trading until January. I wish I just gave you that 5K mack instead of donating to ES. lol. Anyway, my point is paying $200 for mack’s manual and membership is absolutely worth it and if people wants to get free information or ask you questions via email without buying manual and signing up for membership you should not reply.
shaunabs76 September 9, 2020 at
Im sorry you have to deal with these time wasters Mack.
You are right, there needs to be some filter to protect you from these types – a paid premium section maybe, for those who are serious?
It does punish others, but would protect yourself and the serious students into the future.
Thanks Mack.
thevmackwin September 9, 2020 at
Mack, your students support whatever you need to do to protect your property.
Your time, website materials and Youtube video lessons are wonderful Gifts.
Thank you for making them available.
Like the rest of your students, just keeping my head down, doing the work, and enjoying being part of a larger trading family.
ComradeDoji September 9, 2020 at
That’s very frustrating to hear, especially since you charge such a modest fee. I think that is very telling of the maturity level of those future donors. Some points have been made about premium being required for emailing or possibly creating a facebook group in order to have more of a community presence.
Just some food for thought: I have many emails I use to filter content and the email I used to sign up for premium is not the same as the email I used when I purchased the manual, nor is it the same as the email I use to ask questions occasionally. I bring this up because I may not be the only one that uses multiple emails.
If you do decide to create a community, I strongly urge you to consider using Discord instead of facebook groups. Discord allows for multiple channels or “chat rooms”, it allows you to enter and exit voice channels that may allow you or anyone to explain setups easier. Screenshots are very easy to upload, you can set it to invite only with a link and control everyone’s ability to post per channel. There’s a level of anonymity in Discord that’s impossible to achieve with a personal FB account and discord won’t sell your data.
There’s a lot more features that make Discord more desirable and if you do decide to go this route I’d be happy to set it up for you, at no cost of course.
Brane September 9, 2020 at
Hello Mack and to the community,
I am shocked by the news. That there are such people out there who shamelessly exploit your hard work in this way and on top of that make them liable to prosecution. I could spit (We say that in Germany).
Maybe it could actually help you that you only answer questions from premium members. That way you will have more private time and the answers will only be heard by hard working students.
I think the Facebook groups are a very good idea. With it our community could exchange ideas and even relieve you with questions.
I want to thank you again for your hard work Mack. We all appreciate it very much!
Best regards
Brane
profitseeker7 September 9, 2020 at
Mack, sorry to hear that you are being impacted by the “get something for nothing” and “make a profit off other people’s hard work” crowds. I agree with others here that you should close ranks and setup an interactive members only community. I recommend Discord as well as this is what it was specifically designed to do. You can oversee the community, but it basically polices itself based on peer pressure. You won’t have to spend every waking moment micro-managing it. Keep up the good work. Your genuine desire to help others has not gone unnoticed. Thanks for all you do.
dwemini September 9, 2020 at
I was one who made you aware of this. I was just searching for reviews and the manuals were on the page. I thought you should be aware of them so that is why I emailed you a snap shot of them.
Dale
Chris September 9, 2020 at
Mack, I second the Discord idea from Profitseeker7, it would be nice to have a spot where you and other premium members can share with each other, like a mini futures.io….?
Karen Jones Selman September 9, 2020 at
Mack, you have dedicated many years of your life honoring a commitment you made to God to help new traders and you continue to do that; however, you should still protect what God has entrusted you with the best you can. I agree with those who recommend that you only respond to emails from premium members. Pray about making future videos available to premium members only. Having a premium member Facebook page might minimize some of the emails you receive.
Regarding free information, you have over 7 years of videos on YouTube, not to mention all the info on your website! You are more than generous, but enough is enough. Those of us who value you and the support you provide will gladly pay for our membership to continue gleaning from you, a master trader.
spec9 September 9, 2020 at
Unfortunately, there is nothing Mack can do to absolutely prevent his intellectual property being shared for free (stolen) or misappropriated on the internet. All it takes these days is for someone to pay for a course or manual or whatever and then share it in a forum, or worse, plagiarize and sell it. I think the fact Mack sells his manuals for a relatively modest fee probably helps to mitigate a lot of the piracy and misappropriation, simply because more people are willing to pay for them (i.e. they are quite affordable for most).
I agree it would be helpful to be able to see people’s questions and charts and Mack’s answers to those questions. I’m unsure what the best solution is, but I believe it needs to be one aimed at making things easier for Mack rather then more time-consuming and technical. Personally, I would prefer not to see the premium fee increase substantially.
Schweizer September 9, 2020 at
Dear Mack
good idea with a list, only answering members who are bought your manual.
I feel really sorry for you. But you know? . Working since end may 2020 with your system, and it gets better and better.
Due to anothers guys videos on youtube livetrading, i came finally to Mack. So it played in your hand.
Fotunately I become premium member app 4 weeks ago and Its pitty that I did it not earlier – because manual and videos together brings you much faster to your goal.
So please stay strong- and hopfully we as members will not suffer because of some foul apples.
PS: course are worth Millions!
Regards from Switzerland
jaredm September 10, 2020 at
+1 for discord. Mack, this would take some load off of you by letting us connect as a community and help each other out instead of emailing you as much. Imagine a discord where premium members are distinguished from freebies…maybe a members-only discussion where your premium crowd can chat knowing the others speak the same language, we help each other out, share what we are are seeing for trend lines in murky situations, etc. You could dip in as time allows. Or not. And then a separate section for unpaid users where you engage less, or less often, where a few helpful premium members pitch in answering their questions.
We’re all connected to you via your videos and mid-morning updates. Helping us better connect with each other I think adds some serious value on top of the wonderful service you already provide.
Thanks for what you do and share with us every day!
chris September 10, 2020 at
I think the best way for you to handle this is to move to a business model where you only answer questions from people who are premium members. This will cut down on your workload and ensure you only work with the people who are as committed to learning your material as you are in teaching it.
Vittorio5927 September 10, 2020 at
No worries Mack…we will support however you wish to deal with this. Also, thanks in advance for taking the time and effort to update the materials!
Greatlookinguy September 10, 2020 at
I thought you ONLY took questions via email from Premium Members Mack..? (or at the very least from Premium Members and Manual Purchasers). Have you been answering anyone who has your email and is writing in with questions? Arrr!! If yes, then high time that given your already massive workload, you at least ensure only premium members and/or verified manual purchasers get access to a personal Q&A from you.
Secondly, there’s something I wanted to suggest to you when we first started corresponding earlier this year. Maybe have a think about putting in a unique code and generate the PDF manual afresh for each new purchase (will perhaps require some kind of automation). That way, if someone is sad enough to purchase from you and then leak the manual online for a free download to the cheapos, they will give away their identity because their copy will have a watermark of who they are (email, name, or maybe an anonymous code somewhere in a line inside so only you can find out who they are) and you can identify the culprit for what it is worth.
Lastly, it is a little anxiety inducing for me (just a tad 🙂 ) that folks like me who have been holding back sending email questions (for months now) due to understanding and sympathising with your high workload, and managing with your daily YouTube videos alone, now will have to face the unfortunate backlash of a possible long wait time to get an email answered when we really do want something truly important to us answered, or get in touch with you. But hey, in Mack we trust. I know you have the best interests of your students at heart and will do your utmost to ensure each and every one of your students reaches their maximum potential. Please keep up the good work and let us all know if we can help in any way. There are people from ALL walks of life in here and we all are ready to help out with our unique skillsets.
Take care and Best wishes, GLG
Harry4 September 12, 2020 at
Wow, incomprehensible. Hope you find a solution, Mack.
topfuelfan September 17, 2020 at
I disagree with all the facebook group stuff for PATS.
Anything outside of this website should be off limits.
Narrowing content into the premium section gets my vote.
damienjc61 September 19, 2020 at
I got interested in trading SPX after watching some videos on Youtube. Those people were selling teaching information but at a much higher price. I kept looking and eventually found some comments about them that led me to this web site. I never bought their material but found out that they were stealing Mac’s teaching materials. I’m glad I found this web site. Not only half the price but I now see that those people really did not know what they were doing.
Roy February 27, 2021 at
To those scammed victims who had been preyed upon by internet marketers previously n thereby wasting loads of cash buying their useless trading secrets, manuals or training classes, I kid u not… this time it’s for real – Mastering PA & Trade Setups xxx by PATs Trading is prolly the most profitable n worthy purchase I’d ever made in my life. Go for full version @ USD 100 instead of trying to save 20 bucks with the sub-version. If it’s good materials but yet too expensive, my solution for u: quit trading n go play penny-jackpot then!